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RE: Fourth Age Past Lives - Nox - 02-07-2026
I'm not 100% sure but is Jan Fair strider a hero of the horn or just a famous person?
RE: Fourth Age Past Lives - Thalia - 02-07-2026
Even the ones who have clear myth/god origins (like Amaterasu) were recognised as 3rd Age stories - ie named Amaresu instead. Either the Shinto goddess myth was re-contextualised as a legend that persisted in the 3rd Age, or she had a more recent incarnation with that name who was the same soul reborn. We know from Birgitte always being an archer that some motifs persist in all lives.
OMG I love that Philip is a hero XD
I agree that not everyone would recognise them all. But I do still think it's important that they appear in recognisable forms to the Age in which they are called. RJ's notes suggested something like if you knew the story/legend, you would recognise the Hero. So it might not matter what you thought they looked like prior, you'd still know who they were when you saw them. And sure there would be some you didn't recognise. But if HotH souls are a mechanism of the pattern, and it's not enough to simply be heroic to be one, then they're closer to archetypes. So if you didn't recognise someone, it would be because you didn't know the story/legend, not because that story/legend was so old it didn't exist in any recognisable form in the current Age.
That would be the same for when the horn was used in the 5th and 6th Ages imo. That they would each appear as the most famous figure recognisable to those in that Age.
Ascendancy Wrote:Here's a question. The heroes of the horn come back to fight for the light in some sort of battle scenario. Does that mean all the heroes must be fighters? I mean, St. Patrick certainly wasn't combative. He was a fighter in that he defended the people of Ireland and the impoverished, but he was a peaceful priest. Although perhaps there were times when he picked up a sword? I dont know..
So question: can a hero of the horn be someone who isn't a warrior? How would that work? Do they return to fight for the light and just kinda take up arms and "know" how to fight? Like bringing Neo-like skills implanted into their brains via the soul-bound knowledge?
Good question! Paedrig/Patrick is described as a peacemaker with a golden tongue on the wiki, so presumably being a warrior wasn't a perquisite to being bound to the horn. We know that HotH weren't just bound to be called at the LB, they were used time and again by the pattern via their rebirths. So I would assume that was Paedrig's main purpose - his rebirths. How that translates to battle when the horn is sounded I don't know. If it wasn't for the fact he's summoned in the books at the LB, I'd say that the Pattern could just ensure such souls were always alive with the horn was sounded.
They can't be killed by conventional weapons so I suppose they have that in their favour, they aren't relying on technical skill. Might also be another reason it's important they are recognisable. Someone like Paedrig might be more useful for rallying the troops.
Nox, Jain was a Hero.
RE: Fourth Age Past Lives - Claude Saint-Clair - 02-07-2026
(2 hours ago)Nox Wrote: I'm not 100% sure but is Jan Fair strider a hero of the horn or just a famous person?
Both
RE: Fourth Age Past Lives - Nox - 02-07-2026
that's what I thought Jain wasn't a fighter realy was he?