Fourth Age Past Lives

[Nox]

I have a question. I know some of you have some 4th age past lives. I was wondering what criteria they fall under.  Other than the dark one isn't there.  It's thriving after Rand saves things, tech and magic are starting to make a resurrgance. 

I'm just curious.

I'm considering adding another life to Nox's past lives.  One in the 4th age that is a spun out Hero of the Horn.  (Though I don't know if it's necessary as Geb might possibly qualify as a hero for the actual things he did before the god wars.)  Which I don't actually know if he participated on what side lol.

[Thalia]

I don't think there are many explicitly detailed 4th Age lives, and those we have mostly occur either at the beginning or end of the Age. The 3rd Age rp will head into early 4th Age once it gets post the Last Battle. And late 4th Age heading into 5th Age includes fairytale rebirths if there's anything there for inspiration. By the end of the Age at least one society evolves into the Semitic pantheon, in which channelers were revered but tightly controlled. Other than that there's not a lot of detail. And obviously an Age lasts a very long time, so you could just make something up however you like and fit it in the middle. It's the age of Heroes after all.

https://thefirstage.org/wiki_cats/past-life-4th/

The Ages page just says this:The Dark One’s touch on the universe is gone from this age. Men and women who channel the One Power have come together to rebuild the world following the Last Battle, the epic war of their time. Due to feats rediscovered by working the two halves of the Power together, everyday way of life advances. Tales of the Dragon, the savior of the 3rd Age, flourish, and remnants of the Seanchan empire transform into a society where channelers, while revered, serve the common people. Order and control begin to dominate by the end of this Age, and another catastrophic war is barely averted.

[Nox]

The Age of Heroes is perfect for what I originally intended.

If in the 5th Age Ged loses his "hero of the horn" status by being a bad 'god'. And in the 1st age he's remaking himself to be the Hero of the Horn allowing him to be called during the last battle with the Horn of Valere is blown. And then being reborn in the 4th age as a Hero (and as a reward)

Then again being reborn in the 5th age and falling on his face... thus repeating the cycle.

so I'm thinking being born at the 'dawn' of the 4th age. and then again in the beginning of the 5th age. I'm actually thinking though that because Ged isn't deposed by anyone from his reign as pharo, he passed the ball to osiris and it became how the throne was passed from then on out.

I'm thinking that maybe in his death is where they attribute him to the underworld and binding the bad to the souls. like when they buried him that's when he started being one of the tribunal of the dead.

And Geb was a good god for the most part. He is the only Earth god (nature) the one who makes things grow etc. And if he's not there for the godwars then he isn't assassinated by the Atharim he's already 'dead'.

[Thalia]

There’s a page to add hero of the horn details when you’ve decided them: https://thefirstage.org/wiki/heroes-of-the-horn/

Asc did a page for Ged if that’s helpful, and in case there’s anything you want to adjust (it does already say that he passed his crown to Osiris): https://thefirstage.org/wiki/ged/

Atharim origins is 6th Age when people turned on the gods so yep he’d have been gone before then.

I don’t think it’s possible to be untied from the Horn, once bound it’s permanent, and that soul will always be called (unless they happen to be alive when the Horn is blown). Though not all other lives have to be heroic so you could still easily do the cycle of lives across ages around redemption.

[Nox]

But if everything happens with a cycle do new heroes of the horn just get added. but since it's a wheel wouldn't they have to be undone to be added again?

Or does it change the whole 'thread'

[Nox]

I'm not saying that Nox isn't a hero of the horn soul reborn lol. I'm okay with Ged being a hero of the horn as well and no redemption arc needed. AI kinda actually talked me into him already being one as he wasn't a bad 'god'. A little strange with his lovers but to each their own lol.

I hate adding it as a thing, because Nox is so many things which is sorta why I was trying to 'earn' that spot this life. Like that's his ultimate end goal.

And then I was also playing with the idea of him being heroic in the third age as a Lan like character the whole I don't want to be king a servant of the people and then the ultimate sacrafice in the end to save the world (ie I won't spoil it for Thal but one of my favorite scenes in the entire series). But then he can't be called to the last battle via the horn.... so... yeah thinking a rewarded 4th age life shortly after the end of the last battle

[Nox]

I'm not saying that Nox isn't a hero of the horn soul reborn lol. I'm okay with Ged being a hero of the horn as well and no redemption arc needed. AI kinda actually talked me into him already being one as he wasn't a bad 'god'. A little strange with his lovers but to each their own lol.

I hate adding it as a thing, because Nox is so many things which is sorta why I was trying to 'earn' that spot this life. Like that's his ultimate end goal.

And then I was also playing with the idea of him being heroic in the third age as a Lan like character the whole I don't want to be king a servant of the people and then the ultimate sacrifice in the end to save the world (ie I won't spoil it for Thal but one of my favorite scenes in the entire series). But then he can't be called to the last battle via the horn.... so... yeah thinking a rewarded 4th age life shortly after the end of the last battle

[Thalia]

Soul/thread thing. They are bound to the Wheel as well as the Horn. Birgitte was afraid Moggy ripping her out of TAR had broken it for her, but even that didn't do it.

New Heroes could find themselves bound so as well, men and women whose bravery and accomplishments raised them far above the ordinary, but once bound, it was forever.

- The Fires of Heaven, Meetings

Mat was told he had done more than enough to become a hero of the horn, but had not been chosen, which suggests some unknown criteria beyond deed. Presumably the Pattern lol. So they may "earn" their spots through deeds in life, but I think their souls are already marked for it - they are spun out with purpose. So, someone can go down in history as a hero and not be bound to the horn. It doesn't make their heroism any less, just means they weren't required by the pattern to do it.

Heroes don't recognise each other when they're reborn, but they do when they reside in TAR between lives. So their souls aren't treated as ordinary even between lives.

[Nox]

cool! See this is why I ask questions lol. WoT lore is not my strong suit been a long time since I've read them. Well that is good to know. I still kinda like earning the 'status' in this life. Not exactly sure how that happens exactly but it is a goal I have on MY list of things for Nox to do. Not that he'd ever live to see that status himself lol

[Claude Saint-Clair]

As I understand it the life that “earns” the status of Hero would be the appearance they take when called. For example - Claude would be Leonidas if called by the horn.

Also I don’t think death is a requirement to become a hero of the horn, but it is a requirement to be called when it blows. If the horn was blown now, Leonidas wouldn’t pop in because Claude is alive. I know how hard it would be to kill your muse - so he can become one without self-sacrifice.